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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 17, 2010 8:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH 9/18/74

Good morning, Asia. Good midnight, US. Dunno about Europe. It's 9/18 here, so I'll post this TDIH ...

A fair warning for those who listen while working: This show from Dijon, France during the Europe 74 tour is in the dangerous category of “Oh, whoops, did I have a deadline?” It’s really super. If you haven’t heard it (and don’t have a deadline), today’s a good day for a little Dijon mustard! (Sorry, couldn’t resist the dorky bit of overdone journalese, perhaps in the hopes of flushing out the missing Rob.)

It starts off with a gorgeous UJB with a lot of jamming and Phil. The beautiful first set includes a chill-inducing Lay Me Down, a BIODTL, Race is On and a lovely pre-Fire Scarlet. (Incidentally, does anyone know if that was ever done without Fire after the Fire debut? I searched Deadbase but come up with “no records were found.” Like, Scarlet was always played with Fire. Like, even before Fire was written. Including this show. So either something’s not working there or I forgot how to use it …)

Then there’s an amazing 23-minute PITB, an extended space-jazz exploration that’s jamming but not rambling. Sort of Playing in the Dark Star Band with Herbie Hancock and Jean-Luc Picard.

Apparently Jean-Luc and the gang happen during the PITB onto a heck of a cosmic electro-field, cuz next comes Phil and Ned … intergalactic zzzzipp feedzzzzbackzippp. I think I heard the ewoks in there, breaking into a cute little hippety-hop dance before facing off against the death star. Fortunately I think the ewoks win, although you’ll worry about them for a while. That’s what happens when you let Phil and Ned into the space-time continuum: they scramble all the pop-culture space references.

Of course, intergalactic screeching naturally inspires thoughts of Loose Lucy. First, though, is some fun jamming that was apparently a false start, and then (this being a European tour) a patriotic little Stars and Stripes Forever tuning. The Loose Lucy that eventually emerges is raunchy and, well, loose. OK, the lyrics aren’t exactly a model of male sensitivity, but hey, it’s France. They won’t mind. If you want a sensitive male, go to Greece and turn on some Yanni.

Anyway, there are so many great versions in this show. The Peggy-O: Who knew it could have so many bass bombs?!? Me and My Uncle is a kicking, thumping, hard-driving canter down that cowboy road for appreciative French ears. We also get an Eyes of the World into China Doll, a Caution jam, and (what else?) a US Blues encore …

I like this source, though I’m no sound expert:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-09-18.sbd.miller.20732.sbeok.shnf



This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2010-09-18 03:58:34

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Sep 17, 2010 9:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

you are correct to post the miller source...one of the best first sets ever...great UJB and simply classic Jack Straw...the Scarlet is Mars Hotel tight, perhaps best version of '74...awesome...my favorite Black Throated Wind...

as far as Scarlets without Fire...the aforementioned 77 and 78 examples ...they did Scarlet into Bucket and into Touch of Grey in the 80s (06-21-1989 is one such example, 07-13-1984 another) and in 91 they work a segue with Victim a couple of times (03-21, 08-16)...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 17, 2010 10:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

The date that sticks out imo is ,

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1991-08-16.sbd.lynn.81571.sbeok.flac48

I usually play just pre - d/s . It is near perfect in execution and creativity . The transition from Victim into Fire is otherworldly .The PITB reprise begins early in space and is excellent . I could listen to that theme all day long , whatever the era . The rest I leave to you .

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 17, 2010 9:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

I believe there are at least two, more recent cleaned up Miller remasters of this performance...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-09-18.sbd.miller.20675.shnf

This post was modified by Cliff Hucker on 2010-09-18 04:46:46

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 17, 2010 9:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

Interesting. Scarlet into Touch of Grey, yeah, that could work for me. I wouldn't care for a Scarlet into Bucket. Sometimes they do make odd choices. When they brought back St Stephen, they'd keep seguing it into Throwing Stones, and to me, that doesn't work. Musically, I can see it, but not conceptually.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Sep 18, 2010 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

I blame Bobby for the St. Stephen > T-Stones segues...only he could lead us from archetypical 60s Dead lyrics to 80s Reagan era Deadnomics...same guy who gave us Easy Answers out of the tantric Monk space from 06-02-1995 and cockblocked Jerry's Dew intro to go El Paso out of Dark Star at Veneta...little Rock Star Bobby, how precious...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 18, 2010 8:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

Aw, don't pick on poor Bobby. The others had to agree, after all.

For instance, I'd like to blame just Healy for those Darth Vader-meets-the-Chipmunks TOOs in the 80s, but the band tolerated it, right? (OK, until they fired him. But he did mess around with the sound, it seems, for a loooong time.) It's fair game to get on Bob's case about choices in individual shows, but they must have had a consensus on St Stephen>Throwing Stones.

FYI, I do like those shows, particularly 10/31, I just find it an odd segue. Just the wrong moods to put together. Sort of gives me mental whiplash.

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Sep 18, 2010 6:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

They made the Scarlet>Bucket work. Great show

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 17, 2010 9:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

And a kinda interesting sound-check from this date...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-09-18.sbd.snchk.miller.32292.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 17, 2010 9:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

Thanks, Cliff. And that's an interesting review you put up.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 20, 2010 5:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

I'm sold ... I'll cue this up this morning.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 17, 2010 8:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Scarlet

Scarlet Begonias was played by itself just a couple nights after Fire was introduced, actually....3/20/77, a GREAT version you should check out immediately:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-03-20.sbd.kempa.257.sbefixed.shnf

And a month later, Scarlet went into Goin' Down the Road, no Fire:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-04-29.moore.unknown.7113.sbeok.shnf

A year later, they surprised folks again with a Scarlet>Dancin' in the Streets segue:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-04-18.shure.vernon.12383.sbeok.shnf

And there were tons of times in the '80s they did Scarlet without Fire, try your deadbase search again....

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 17, 2010 9:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet

Thanks! See, that's what I figured, but the search just doesn't work for me. I'm a complete techno-idiot, but it used to work fine. I have no idea why it turns up no results for me now.

This is what it gives me (basically if I try anything.) And heck, I even googled it directly in case my bookmark went to some old version of the page ... go figure:

Query String: WHERE ((setlist Like '%Scarlet Begonias%') AND NOT (setlist Like '%Fire on the Mountain%'))

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0 shows matched your query.
Sorry, no records were found!

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2010-09-18 04:10:06

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 17, 2010 10:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet

Here are the rest ,

5/8/84
6/12/84
6/29/84
7/3/84
7/13/84
3/22/85
4/27/85
8/30/85
10/28/85
3/25/86
7/24/87
9/16/87
11/6/87
12/30/87
4/7/88
6/22/88
2/6/89
6/21/89
7/18/89
10/1/89
10/14/89
12/6/89
2/26/89
3/16/90
4/3/90
7/16/90
and , 8/16/91

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 17, 2010 11:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scarlet

Good golly. And I even saw, um, one of those. So much for my memory. (And so much for my show list from late 80s, eh?)

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 18, 2010 1:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

i love your reviews, Althea. their so fun and creative...do you do any other writing??

also i would like to mention that this show has perhaps THE FINEST Friend of the Devil this side of American Beauty.

and is this THE only great Europe '74 show?? my $0.02 says, pretty much...if only euro '74 were as epic as euro '72 :(

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 18, 2010 8:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

Thanks, Caboose. Actually, I'm a writer for a living. Or was, until I left my job (the one with the real paycheck) to move overseas, where so far, the only writing I've done has been long snarky email reports to family and friends. And, well, forum posts :-) Eventually I'll stop deciding I'm on vacation and get around to doing some writing for money again. I've thought of turning my emails into a blog. But then I might get myself in trouble, without the commensurate paycheck, LOL.

Oh, and I'm not knowledgeable enough to say if it's the only really hot show from Europe '74 -- I'll leave that to the connoisseur gallery -- but I can't think of another one that grabbed me that way. I just sort of go by what I've favorited or have copies of, though, so there could be others.

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2010-09-19 03:00:27

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Sep 18, 2010 12:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

"Me and My Uncle is a kicking, thumping, hard-driving canter down that cowboy road for appreciative French ears."

Your comment immediately brought to mind David Lynch's early film, "The Cowboy and the Frenchman"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7085107810914558775#

Harry Dean Stanton gives Bob Weir a run for his money when he sings - and plays - a sweet "Home on the Range". Might I suggest this as your Saturday night movie - with the family - while you are out there in Nepal, sittin' on top of the world. Enjoy . . . many folks have commented that it gets better with a second, and third, additional viewing.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 18, 2010 1:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

Ah, but you are assuming we can actually buffer whole online movies here. As if. Second slowest download speed in the world here! Only Zambia beats us in the category of "YouTube? Say what?!?" A 5-minute video clip takes about 15 minutes of buffering.

(And, um, David Lynch as family fare?!? My kiddo turns away from "scary TV commercials," LOL. War films are fine; creepy, no way. Blue Velvet, Eraserhead ... interesting notion of "family night," Duck!)

Thanks for the Cinemaphile Tip for the Future, though :-)

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2010-09-18 08:09:13

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Sep 18, 2010 1:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

'The Cowboy and the Frenchman" is truly unlike any of Lynch's other films. Not violent, but very surreal. tres amusant! My brother-in-law and his wife and two children - daughter 11 and son 14 - loved it so much, they watched it a second time . . . right on the boot heels of the first viewing. My two daughters were in high school when they first saw it ... they still quote from it today, 10 years later. It's 26 minutes, so hopefully you can buffer that link. Too bad the link does not include David's thoughtful and bemusing introduction as to what prompted him to make this film. From reading your posts, I think you will be highly amused and entertained by this little masterpiece.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 18, 2010 1:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

Ok, 26 minutes I could buffer without taking the whole night. Surreal and absurd is always good. Actually, it helps to have a sense of the absurd if you live where I live, LOL.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 18, 2010 8:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

I was already planning to queue this one up today. Thanks for the confirmation. Without a doubt one of the best first sets that I've heard. To Lay Me Down gives me chills.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 20, 2010 5:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what this means? One reviewer says:

>the Caution is downright mahavishnaish

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 20, 2010 5:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahavishnu_Orchestra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAU5o246VSA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv_bkS5VVaA&;feature=related

This post was modified by Cliff Hucker on 2010-09-20 12:56:13

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 20, 2010 7:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 9/18/74

I see, thanks. If I ever get as far as the Caution jam in this wonderfully endless show, I'll see ...